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Poster: chun Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:03am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

DELETE THEM

Remove their money grubbing music from this archive.

Seriously - now you're the internet radio station? What a crock. Delete it all - they are no longer worthy of being archived.

What a rip off to the people that wasted time uploading file after file after file.

I am done with paying for ANYTHING grateful dead related at all.

I will soon be offering to do HD trades of complete years for people looking to completed their collections. Screw GDP - and Deborah and her money grubbing lawers .....

Jerry is turning over in his grave.....

"when the show is over it's done with .... I don't care what you do with it....."

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Poster: liquidmike Date: Nov 23, 2005 11:41am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

It's amazing how spoiled a community can get and how viscious a supposedly "kind" group of people can be once they no longer get their way. I can't believe the crap that people are posting here.

How... long do you think the Dead and their people are supposed to keep giving stuff away for free? Jesus, you've had free (with a little work) music for my entire lifetime (I'm 33) and an amazing bounty of stuff at that. The fact that this was available in a fine digital format, again, for free, for any amount of time is phenominal. I realize there are other bands on here giving out music. That's great. See if they continue to do that once they aren't touring and making an income for themselves and their families and organizations.

I hope that all these people who are claiming to stay away from GDM and this site do just that. You don't deserve to have access to any of it. Maybe when you go without for a while you'll realize how sweet you had it here (and other places) and rethink some of your hateful mindsets.

Maybe this doesn't affect me like some people since I rarely used the site to burn anything. I streamed most of it anyway. How much cooler can you get than a 24hr GD radio? If I don't get to hear every Dark Star I think I'll get by on the opportunity to purchase a new one every now and then.

Grow up, move on with life. Don't expect a disbanded group to continue to feed your jones for their stuff for free forever just because they began life as a house full of hippies. They still put out a boatload of music at more than reasonable prices (in comparison to about 95% of the music biz) and you can still find things from people online

Looking at this bunch of crybabies makes me not want to visit this site ever again (I will however because I like it) just to distance myself from their crap. Don't like to pay for music? Don't buy it. Think ticket prices are too high? (This is a source for another discussion all together) Don't go. Make more room for me in the good seats in the smaller, more intimate venues. I have no problem paying $45 to see Phil and his band in a 4500 seat theater and I have no problem laying down $25 for a 3 or 4 disc set of live music.

Big thanks to the people that run this place and others like it. I knew the internet was a cool thing but sometimes you really get surprised by what you can find. Even if you can't find a SBD from somebody anymore.

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This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-23 19:41:43

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Poster: krawz Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:28pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

It amazes me that some people can get to a place where they believe that what is essentially private property can somehow belong to them.

You people out there that have convinced yourselves that you own the music need to get real. You did not create this art, and no one forced you to buy tickets or buy the music. Don't give me the Jerry line either. His context related to tapers.

The Dead owe us nothing and we all should be grateful that someone allowed us the gift of having what we had for any time at all; not to mention providing the basis for any kind "community" that may exist.

We paid for concerts and we paid for recordings. Some of us were luck enough to get bootlegs, and very few of us were privileged enough to get SBDs until the Grateful Dead allowed the SBDs to become available.

All you ungrateful people are going to accomplish by your tone is the ultimate demise of any free SBDs on the web.

I just hope that GDM and the people at the Archive realize that most heads out here are grateful, but are the silent majority. Try not to get too rattled by the few boisterous ingrates.

Thanks for everything from an 45 year old head.

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Poster: TwinD Date: Nov 23, 2005 11:10am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Liquidmike you missed the point. We're not asking to be given anything except to continue ciruclating amongst ourselves music already in our possession using available technologies.

If we're greedy to want the music the same can be said about the GD organization for wanting more of our money.

This goes both ways.

It's about loyalty and trust and as far as I, and apparently many here, are concerned, GDP has violated both.

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Poster: anddave Date: Nov 25, 2005 7:10am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

except to continue ciruclating amongst ourselves music already in our possession using available technologies

yes...available technologies...like email, B&P, telephone...meeting folks at fests...

:) anddave

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Poster: bop9 Date: Nov 23, 2005 5:57pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

amen.

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Poster: mops&brooms Date: Nov 23, 2005 3:39am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Amen Brother! I'm bummed because after telling myself I'm going to do it for month's, I tried to download some of the studio rehearsals this morning - a day too late! Damn those were fun to listen to. I had my eyes on some other shows as well but you snooze you lose.
Enough complaining from all the community's victims and want-something-for-nothings. Get over it! Think of something you can be "grateful" for and if you have trouble doing that then take a trip to New Orleans.

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Poster: markpj Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:19pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

your just plain mean

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Poster: wildturkey2oo0 Date: Nov 23, 2005 12:49pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

I discovered the GD very late in my life and i really was amazed that such a lot of their music was freely available on e-tree - what a privilege to enjoy and to use, the shows belonged to all of us through the generosity of the band.I was disapointed to see that the sbd's had been removed by the members of the GD - however just to put things into perspective - a privilege does not constitute a right to their music.Who knows what the motivation behind this decision was?
Their music lives on and this is what counts - not if it is available for free. I will gladly pay for the reissues of their music in HDCD,Remasters and the Dick's Picks line - i feel every cent is well spent on me, i rather give up on a daily starbucks fix than to deprive myself off their music.
Also there is such a great amount of fantastic music ( again Free - thank all of you!)in the archive to help with the loss of the sbd's. Peace and all the best to everybody out there! Keep truckin' on!

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Poster: Robert_NC Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:17am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Might as well delete it all - the streams don't work anyway - I tried 4 or 5, none of them worked.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:47am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

As you might appreciate, the site is no doubt under a heavy load tonight with all the changes.

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Poster: Robert_NC Date: Nov 22, 2005 11:30am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

403 is a security configuration error, not a server load error.

On a different note, not to be critical of LMA, because I assume LMA is not responsible, but I think everyone who submitted audience tapes should ask that they be removed completely.

The SBDs have always presumably been the property of The Grateful Dead.

The audience tapes were made under the policy that tapers were allowed to make, reproduce and distribute them FREELY. So the tapes are really the property of the original tapers and are to be traded FREELY as long as no money exchanges hands.

The streaming format basically violates this policy by preventing the free TRADE of the audio content of the original tapes. Tapers Unite!

This post was modified by Robert_NC on 2005-11-22 19:30:20

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Poster: markpj Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:10pm
Forum: etree Subject: bad marketing move from GD

bad move on the marketing end from grateful dead..only since i found this website have i been buying music from GD.. the memory was brought back to life from this site..sorry to all who will lose the chance to download there first show!

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Poster: Down the road feeling bad Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:36pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: bad marketing move from GD

Thats one of the first thoughts I had as well. I've been a dead-head forever and I just discovered this archive a couple weeks ago. I got all excited, asked a couple dozen internet friends "Are you into the Grateful Dead?" and they all said "no, not really". I asked "have you listened to much Dead?" and again, "no, not really". So I passed them a link to the classic performance of "Eyes Of The World" (3-29-1990) and said "here, listen to this". Every one of them (without exception) was totally blown away and every one of them asked whether that was really Grateful Dead. They all wanted more, so I said "ok, I'll compile a handful of links to some nice sample performances". I had just barely compiled a quick list and sent it along to a few of them yesterday. Within an hour they were telling me the links didn't work. Well, I guess we know why the links didn't work.

There's a new generation of potential dead-heads out there and they have internet access. The loss of this archive is a very bad business decision. If I were holding stock in this "company" I'd be selling as soon and the market opens today. (Yeah, I know, the Grateful Dead isn't a publicly traded company)

Many thanks and kudos to Brewster, Matt Vernon and any other players in the construction of this archive. I only wish I had found it sooner.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:22pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

I think everyone who submitted audience tapes should ask that they be removed completely....

The streaming format basically violates this policy by preventing the free TRADE of the audio content of the original tapes....


First, would it be a positive act for a taper to take away what does remain for the patrons here, in the heat of emotion? I'd hope any Dead audio taper has the years of maturity to look at this from the larger perspective of fan enjoyment.

Second, there are many trading-oriented sites across the net, but IA is not actually one of them. It's an online public library. Any band's policy with respect to the Internet Archive may differ a lot from their policy with respect to trading. Current example: Dave Matthews Band. Example: Phish. Example: Galactic. This is another one of those cases.

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2005-11-23 06:22:12

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:20pm
Forum: etree Subject: website very slow

If you are getting a 403, please give us the URL.

We have having website troubles today as you all have noticed. We are not sure what the problem is, but it could be related to the Grateful Dead changes. We are working hard to put it together with folks that are on vacation and all.

Thank you for the patience.

-brewster

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:50pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: website very slow

We believe we have the website at full speed again. (it seems it was fixed by optimizing and maybe uncorrupting an sql table).

Please let us know if there are continued problems.

-brewster

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffTyler Date: Nov 22, 2005 1:16pm
Forum: etree Subject: can I see some hits graphs?

Is there public data on website hits / unique hits that www.archive.org or it's subdivisions receive? (i.e. www.archive.org/audio) ?

I'm curious because we have public charts for users added per day, number of recordings added per day / month, all that .. I was just curious with today's (i'm sure) flood of GD related hits .. i'm just a number junkie. can I see some bandwidth / hit graphs?

This post was modified by Tyler on 2005-11-22 21:16:45

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Poster: Hatta Date: Nov 23, 2005 1:10am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: website very slow

"We believe we have the website at full speed again. (it seems it was fixed by optimizing and maybe uncorrupting an sql table)."

You're so forthcoming when it comes to technical problems with the site. Why can't you be so forthcoming when it comes to political problems? Are you afraid of getting sued?

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Poster: whitelacestrange Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:22am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

damn..... i knew this day would come, i just never really thought about it. i only recently was showed this site and since im only 16 and therefore missed out on all the magic, i relied on this site, and all my dads bootlegs. i am thankful for the shows that i did manage to download, thank you so much archive.org, you have done more for us than you guys can imagine. its a shame deadheads have to be caught up in all this coorprate bull, it would be alot better if the dead were still on our side.
jerry is surely feeling our pain.

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Poster: Dodson Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:41pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Ouch! I have done almost nothing but listen to streaming audio up till now. I downloaded a few MP3s. I just upgraded my computer with the goal of building a pristine copy of 9/20/70. I have bought dozens of the records and CDs. And a dozen or so concert tickets. More if you count JGB and Robert Hunter shows. I started listening in 1973. Saw my first shows in 1974. I just sent $300 to GD merchandise for books and CDs. I would really like to get the show. Finding this site had sort of rekindled my interest. I understand pulling shows they are selling, but why the rest? I am glad to support the band and all, but why take the music away?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbrewster Date: Nov 22, 2005 12:40pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

If you are having trouble with the streams, please give us details. info@archive.org is a good address for details.

We have done what we can to keep as much access as possible.

Please help us debug our website.

-brewster

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Poster: captain_trip_420 Date: Nov 22, 2005 9:11pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Oh yea, BOYCOTT GDP AND GDM
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BOYCOTT GDP AND GDM

Looks like they made a stupid move...

Thank you and good night

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Poster: searchinbig Date: Nov 22, 2005 9:41pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Man - what a sad day.

Everything Jerry stood for.

By the way have Doug's guitars been returned or are they also wrapped up in some mumbo jumbo lawsuit.

How about corporate America?

What a joke.

Boycott is right - never another purchase from GDM.

What is the official stance?

Does anyone know?

I guess I'll still be SEARCHINBIG

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Poster: jbphburg Date: Nov 22, 2005 10:08pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

Is there any official explanation for this anyway? Who made the decision? Absolutely heartbreaking to go to what's left of the shows and not be able to download. Amazing, very sad.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffDiana Hamilton Date: Nov 22, 2005 11:06pm
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

http://www.archive.org/iathreads/post-view.php?id=47707

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Poster: rfs Date: Nov 26, 2005 11:26am
Forum: etree Subject: Re: Grateful Dead concert recordings on the Internet Archive

There is a peitiion out there. check it out

www.petitiononline.com